Talk:Curie (rocket engine)

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Requested move 13 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Option C: Rocket Lab Rutherford is moved to Rutherford (rocket engine); Curie (rocket engine) is not moved. – bradv🍁 19:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Curie (rocket engine) → ?
Rocket Lab Rutherford → ?

– First a brief summery of the past page moves...

Rutherford (rocket engine) → Rocket Lab Rutherford on 20 January 2020 for here for "WP:NATURALDAB -- the "Rutherford" is a rocket engine motor made by Rocket Lab -- complements such like Rocketdyne F-1 / SpaceX Dragon / Boeing 747 / Ford Mustang / IBM Personal Computer / Samsung Galaxy / etc --" by 67.70.33.184.

Curie (rocket engine) → Rocket Lab Cuire per the reason above by @OkayKenji: (me)

Rocket Lab Cuire → Curie (rocket engine) because I spelt Marie Curie's name wrong and may not fall under WP:NATURALDAB by @Schwede66:.

There are multiple options that we could move these pages to:

A. Keep Rocket Lab Rutherford as it is.

Curie (rocket engine) → Rocket Lab Curie

For consistency (WP:CONSISTENT) with the page Rocket Lab Rutherford. Also consistency with alike pages SpaceX Merlin, SpaceX Kestrel, SpaceX Raptor, SpaceX Draco, Rocketdyne F-1, SpaceX Dragon. Another reason would be for WP:NATURALDAB and may be better then using parenthetical disambiguation. This also goes with the consensus found here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/Archive 8#Requested move 31 December 2019. This also addresses the issue that Curie is not a single engine, instead its a family of engines. Monopropellant version, Bi-propellant, and HyperCurie (for refs see the main page - also didn't include this on the main page as a ref per WP:NOYT but Rocket Lab's CEO Peter Beck (engineer) on this YouTube Video (Q&A on their official YT channel) at ~38:17 stated that "we have a monopropellant version a bi-propellant version and then hypercurie"). "Rocket Lab Curie" would cover all versions of the engine like it does for SpaceX Merlin which also is a family of engines.

B. Rocket Lab Rutherford → Rutherford (rocket engine)

Curie (rocket engine) → Curie (rocket engine family)

Per WP:SPACENAME "Do not include manufacturers' names in article titles" (I guess unless there's a reason not to do that). The discussion for that policy can be found here at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/Archive 2#Article titles. In addition at the least it creates consistency with Rutherford and Curie engine which should be done as they are both engines made by Rocket Lab. Also these engines uses names of scientists i.e. people so may be expect from the reason I have for option a.

C. Rocket Lab Rutherford → Rutherford (rocket engine)

Keep Curie (rocket engine) as is.

Consistency with Rutherford and Curie engines which should be done as they are both engines made by Rocket Lab.

Tldr, trying to create consistency with the article names Curie and Rutherford. Also open to any other ideas. OkayKenji ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 12:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree that these should have some degree of consistency, but unhelpfully I've got no clue as to what the best option would be. My preference would probably be for C as I've always predominantly heard the Rutherford referred to as the "Rutherford engine" instead of the "Rocketlab Rutherford", where your examples are much more common with their brand names (eg. Boeing 747, Samsung Galaxy) - but that probably creates inconsistency with wikipedia on a wider scale, so I'm not sure. Turnagra (talk) 19:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The company itself refers to the engine as Curie and Rutherford - e.g. "Electron's second stage is powered by a variant of the Rutherford engine providing improved performance in vacuum conditions." ... "Rutherford is an oxygen/kerosene pump fed engine specifically designed in-house for Electron using an entirely new propulsion cycle. Its unique high-performance electric propellant pumps reduce mass and replace hardware with software." https://www.rocketlabusa.com/electron/ I would suggest that the best article title would be Rutherford (rocket engine). Tsop (talk) 14:32, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Option C – The WP:SPACENAME has been edited due to the emergence of article titles like Boeing Starliner, SpaceX Merlin, SpaceX Starship, etc. The manufacturer's name is usually included in the article title when reliable sources use it. In this case, it is not included in reliable sources. Better supporting option C. --Soumya-8974 ^talk _contribs ^subpages 17:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Option C – If reliable sources don’t include the manufacturer’s name, then WP:NATURALDAB cannot apply. That makes option C the best choice. Schwede 66 18:03, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.